Eskona Runningstar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.27 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Eskona Runningstar on 27/05/2008 07:40:48
 Originally by: Tenebrys
Privateer side of the argument:
- EVE is a PVP game and if you try to avoid PVP or PVP in dumb ways you're a****got
- IVY sucks for teaching people to fight as a blob rather than fight as a team, must die
- IVY is now using what we see as an exploit tactic to keep from having to PVP with us in empire space, so they're****gots
- IVY should pay us a bunch of money now or we'll always be sworn to destroy them
IVY side of the argument:
- EVE is a many-faceted game and we need to teach members about all aspects of it, not just PVP
- Your constant wardecs are starting to interfere with our ability to properly school our members in empire operations
- We're winning the ISK war against you, you have no chance of getting rid of us
- We didn't have too much to do with the plot that resulted in this little tactic to stop the wardecs or at least make you bleed in order to keep declaring them
- Hahaha you guys abused the wardec system before, so we're abusing it now, and you're hypocritical fairies for getting upset about it
Anything to add?
To add a little:
- If somebody proclaims "I will destroy your alliance" and tries to turn high-sec into 0.0, 100m per week is not a road block, but a pebble on a 4-lane highway. Upping the ante to see how much PRVTR really want IVY dead wasnt a bad idea by Kelduum in my opinion.
- The tactic Kelduum used is based on wardec fees not updating when the "wardec landscape" changes - namely new wars do not increase costs of already existing wars, and a corp joining an alliance does not increase the war cost, either.
- If this tactic should be ruled as exploit, there is a very high chance that Privateers have been benefitting from this exploit the past year, also:
- To-be member corporations declaring their wars before joining to avoid the "X wars already active * 50m" premium
- Costs of the first war not updating when a second war is declared, or a corporation joins the alliance. CCP communications after the "P-patch" was that 1 war active should cost 50m, 2 wars active should cost 200m (2x 100m each). This is not how it currently is implemented in the game, though (it will cost 150m, 50m for the first war and 100m for the second war). This is the part that Kelduum bug-reported and that was stated as being intentional, and it is what allows Privateers to sustain as many wars as they do currently, and what allows IVY to sustain as many (former corp-corp) wars as there are active on IVY currently.
- The difference to the iMune tactic is that IVY is not invulnerable from wardecs, it just costs more to declare or sustain a war on IVY. IVY is also paying a weekly fee to get this "bigger roadblock"
In summary, IVY has done nothing different from what Privateers have been doing - IVY just uses the cheap wars declared on it to increase costs of newly declared wars, while Privateers uses the cheap wars because they actually want to fight them. However, in Eve you are allowed to declare war for no reason at all, even if you dont have the intention to show up for a fight in the first place, so that shouldnt matter. The only advantage IVY has over PRVTR is that IVY can control which corps are admitted into the alliance, and therefore can start at the corp-corp level, while Privateers can only start at the corp-alliance level (as they exclusively go after alliances).
Should the IVY tactic (which really only is a PRVTR tactic on a larger scale) be ruled as an exploit or nerfed via a patch, there is a high chance that the number of concurrently active wars that Privateers can sustain will also take a hit.
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